Keith and Mark sat down with VMUG CEO Brad Tompkins to talk the future of the VMware User Group (VMUG). The VMUG membership is a great pulse of the traditional IT organization. With all the talk about containers, serverless, and cloud, where are VMUG members in their technical journey? How does Tompkin navigate what members want to learn vs. what members must learn to avoid in his words not having an answer for the members CXOs. Great conversation on how to turn the ship from the bottom up.